lesson learn today: say "ouch!" when you're in pain. I could not really remember why I went into this. Zhe ming held my hand and I did the same. I tried to crush his hand and he used a technic to press the area between my tumb and first finger area. I've learn akido before but I never realized how painful it felt when I was with girls. after Zhe ming release my hand my hand started to numb up and got really swell. when I got home I took carrotz advice and applied ice it de-swell a little but I'm still in pain while typing this. Burned some night oil and it's time to sleep.